the wall sections are awesome! the towers however need some detailing , but its a very decent pricing the stuff shown in the first picture costs 65 GBP altogether. I really like it ! hope they expand their range.
Just checked their website and it looks like they do some interesting stuff. Im in the market for some new terrain soon so this could be the answer along witha couple of the Micro Art Studios Radar Installation thingys.
MDF = the new asbestos. Great for DIY and model making, but when sanded or cut the particles are so fine that they hang in the air. These particles are carcinogenic. I don’t mean to be scaring antone here but thats the view of people in the industry.
Like the look of the walls, nice sci fi vibe, the towers need more work to not look ‘cut out’.
I wonder if the depth of them might be hard to play with. Where do you balance your 40k assault troops 1″ away from the defenders?
Do like the design though… My Death Korps would love to sit behind these…
For anyone who has any concerns about the safety of MDF and our terrain, there are a couple of points to note:
1) Any activity that creates particulates (dust) can present a health hazard. If you sand anything strictly speaking you should wear a dust mask or be in a ventilated area. This goes for MDF, foam, plastic, resin, anything. Any particulate can cause an increased risk of cancer by irritating the cells that line the throat and lungs (mechanical rather than chemical damage), this is not unique to MDF.
2) The carcinogen in MDF is Formaldehyde which is used in the resin that binds the fibre together rather than the particles themselves. We use a brand of MDF that has a low formaldehyde proportion, but most MDF has a much lower level of formaldehyde in it nowadays. Furthermore, the manufacture of our terrain is carried out in a laser that has a vacuum bed that extracts the particles and fumes made by the lasering process. As Andy pointed out, the cutting has been done for you, you won’t need to do any.
3) Pretty much anything can pose a health risk if you use it irresponsibly. Superglue for sticking your models together can be a health risk. Spray priming your models can be a health risk. Using a scalpel to trim your mould lines presents a major health risk (seriously, most injuries in model making are scalpel related! ). Swallowing a plastic mini will damage you.
The point is, MDF is no more dangerous than anything else if you use it sensibly. This is why it is still so widely used! You’re no more likely to get cancer from having a piece of our terrain on your table than you are from having an MDF cupboard door in your kitchen or touching some MDF in a DIY store. It can present a health risk if you’re exposed to large amounts of dust for long periods of time, but this is avoided by simply wearing a dust mask and is far from unique to MDF. ( pigeon-fancier’s lung anyone? ).
Me and Ed both come from a modelmaking course and are in the industry, ( I also studied cancer biology at Bristol Uni briefly! ) and MDF is so widely used simply because with a bit of common sense the health risk is negligible. It’s far from the new asbestos, which was so dangerous because it would break up at the slightest touch.
Anyway, apologies for the wall of text! We’ll add a working with MDF section to the website and a safety warning to the packaging, but seriously, don’t worry!
Harry – Warmill
tl;dr: don’t worry about it, just don’t be stupid.
Well, only looked at the pics of the fortress kit so far and it looks awesome. Presumably because it’s made of MDF it’s a fantastic price for a terrain piece that big. I’m off to drool over the rest of the website now but great work Warmill!!!
I’d recommend these to anyone,the walls were easy to build once out of the flat pack sprue.
The gate is very delicate, but goes together great and if you wish can open and close as you like.
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the wall sections are awesome! the towers however need some detailing , but its a very decent pricing the stuff shown in the first picture costs 65 GBP altogether. I really like it ! hope they expand their range.
these look coooooooooooooooooooooolllllllllll
I’ll hold comment until we see an assembly/construction review 🙂
Just checked their website and it looks like they do some interesting stuff. Im in the market for some new terrain soon so this could be the answer along witha couple of the Micro Art Studios Radar Installation thingys.
call me a noob, but what exactly is MDF?
“Medium density fibreboard”
medium density fiberboard , particle board.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium-density_fibreboard
Seen these guys on Dakka , love there bases.
I like the look of this one, a lot like the compound in starship troopers, and its a massive footprint of terrain for the cost.
MDF = the new asbestos. Great for DIY and model making, but when sanded or cut the particles are so fine that they hang in the air. These particles are carcinogenic. I don’t mean to be scaring antone here but thats the view of people in the industry.
wear a mask and do it outside/ ventilated areas and you are fine ^^
Fortunately all this stuff is already cut and sanded for you.
Simply snap it out of the wooden “sprue” and fit together… much like the Micro Arts stuff Darrell showed recently.
That stuff looks good…MDF is not 100% healthy but i think a dust mask and sensible precautions should see you right.
I hear high quality metal figues give you cancer to…send to me and ill look after them for you
In that case I bagsy looking after folks’ resin minis 😛
Nice try Trebor lol
This looks very interesting
Yeah, nice try. Wish I’d thought of it first…
danr i somehow snipped the resin bit, you can keep your failcrap though 😉
Like the look of the walls, nice sci fi vibe, the towers need more work to not look ‘cut out’.
I wonder if the depth of them might be hard to play with. Where do you balance your 40k assault troops 1″ away from the defenders?
Do like the design though… My Death Korps would love to sit behind these…
I like the towers but agree they could do with some detailing/texture
Anything but skullz! 😛
Hi all, Harry from Warmill Here to say Hi!
For anyone who has any concerns about the safety of MDF and our terrain, there are a couple of points to note:
1) Any activity that creates particulates (dust) can present a health hazard. If you sand anything strictly speaking you should wear a dust mask or be in a ventilated area. This goes for MDF, foam, plastic, resin, anything. Any particulate can cause an increased risk of cancer by irritating the cells that line the throat and lungs (mechanical rather than chemical damage), this is not unique to MDF.
2) The carcinogen in MDF is Formaldehyde which is used in the resin that binds the fibre together rather than the particles themselves. We use a brand of MDF that has a low formaldehyde proportion, but most MDF has a much lower level of formaldehyde in it nowadays. Furthermore, the manufacture of our terrain is carried out in a laser that has a vacuum bed that extracts the particles and fumes made by the lasering process. As Andy pointed out, the cutting has been done for you, you won’t need to do any.
3) Pretty much anything can pose a health risk if you use it irresponsibly. Superglue for sticking your models together can be a health risk. Spray priming your models can be a health risk. Using a scalpel to trim your mould lines presents a major health risk (seriously, most injuries in model making are scalpel related! ). Swallowing a plastic mini will damage you.
The point is, MDF is no more dangerous than anything else if you use it sensibly. This is why it is still so widely used! You’re no more likely to get cancer from having a piece of our terrain on your table than you are from having an MDF cupboard door in your kitchen or touching some MDF in a DIY store. It can present a health risk if you’re exposed to large amounts of dust for long periods of time, but this is avoided by simply wearing a dust mask and is far from unique to MDF. ( pigeon-fancier’s lung anyone? ).
Me and Ed both come from a modelmaking course and are in the industry, ( I also studied cancer biology at Bristol Uni briefly! ) and MDF is so widely used simply because with a bit of common sense the health risk is negligible. It’s far from the new asbestos, which was so dangerous because it would break up at the slightest touch.
Anyway, apologies for the wall of text! We’ll add a working with MDF section to the website and a safety warning to the packaging, but seriously, don’t worry!
Harry – Warmill
tl;dr: don’t worry about it, just don’t be stupid.
Product looks very good, glad to see slight health risk covered and web section re working with it is a sound idea
Well, only looked at the pics of the fortress kit so far and it looks awesome. Presumably because it’s made of MDF it’s a fantastic price for a terrain piece that big. I’m off to drool over the rest of the website now but great work Warmill!!!
I’d recommend these to anyone,the walls were easy to build once out of the flat pack sprue.
The gate is very delicate, but goes together great and if you wish can open and close as you like.