Help identify these minis

[Wolfie65 1282xp 0]

Found in the bits boxes of a now defunct game store, these two are large matchlock-armed Orcs dressed in Renaissance Landsknecht type outfits, I based and painted them as Ogres to reinforce my Empire gun line. They are HEAVY, obviously made of lead and I have never seen anything like them, there was no stamp or inscription of any kind, not even numbers on their original skateboard bases.

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