May 22, 2014 by warzan
Video Sponsors: Dropzone Commander - Battle Foam
Time for another mini from the Arab Israeli war, and if you've been wondering how to take down those pesky jets bombing all your forces then the ZSU-57-2 looks to be just the bit of kit to clear up the skies.
0
Join Axia’s Tribe For Stunning Old World & Trenches Miniatures
0
Snag Pre-Orders For New Solo & Co-Op Game, Haywire Modern
0
Crush Your Foes With Marvel: Crisis Protocol’s Onslaught
2
Special Clone Wars Droids & Deadly Villains For Star Wars: Legion!
1
New Monstrous Mounted Character For Age Of Sigmar’s Ogors
2
Valiant Knights, Plucky Journeymen & Towering Warjack’s For Warmachine
0
More Made To Order Middle-earth Miniatures Coming Soon
1
New Spanish Handgunners Take Aim From Brother Vinni
6
Gale Force Nine Preview Two New Pre-Painted Terrain Ranges
3
Plunder The Tabletop With Westfalia’s Pirate Borg Miniatures
5
Delve Into Ragnarok Miniatures Limited Run Dark Age Armies!
4
Concept Version Boba Fett Coming To Conventions This Year
1
Games Workshop Preview New Warhammer Board Games
3
New Egyptians & A Preview Of What’s Next From Wargames Atlantic!
1
Khurasan Miniatures Expand The 15mm Sci-Fi Aquan Army
6
Otherworld’s Drow Live Again With Crooked Dice’s Fantasy Range
4
Spellcrow Tease First Miniatures For Wartar Fantasy Project
10
Wyld Holdings Announces Acquisition Of Battle Foam
1
Monolith Preview More Miniatures For Confrontation’s Incarnation
0
Pre-Order Night Of The Goblin! Marvel: Crisis Protocol Alliances
4
Fight With The Dead Earth Socialites In Your Grimdark Sci-Fi Games
0
Scrap In The Arena With Infinity HexaDome Legends Coming Soon
2
New Characters & Hunters Join Age Of Sigmar’s Ogor Mawtribes
4
Fight Back With Perry Miniatures’ New Vendée Commanders
1
Start A Fantasy Pirate Crew With Medbury Miniatures This Month
1
Stunning New Characters Step Into TTCombat’s World Of Carnevale
3
Grab New Polanšćak Sci-Fi Tomb Raiders From Ramshackle
2
Fight In The Pacific With Khurasan’s New 15mm Tongans
0
Head To The Grasslands With New HexTech Terrain Sets
2
Fantastic Fantasy Giants On The Horizon From Crooked Dice
Also good for Half tracks men and SP guns and at anti tank 12 (yeah thats right anti tank 12) they will punch holes in Ishermans like well an anti tank 12 ranting… 12 and 5 shots… cries… if they stay alive long enough.
Great model with great use in any Arab army
Awesome looking vehicles. I know these were based on T-34 chassis and then the T-54, but notice how one set of road wheels is missing (four per side instead of the usual five)? I checked a few sources and sure enough, that is correct. I wonder why the engineers took these out?
Dr. Dave is right, though. Auto-fire 57mms will put a whole lot o’ hurtin’ on any soft targets in range, and probably relatively light Israeli armor like surplus M3s, M113s, AMX-13s, post-war Sherman upgrades.
At 2:40, are those optical rangefinders? I know the ZSU-57-2 wasn’t radar-controlled (not util the ZSU-23-4). Shooting down a low-flying jet “by eye” had to be tough.
It think its more of a case of lets scare the ever loving crud out of the pilot and he wont try to bomb us…. and tbh I get that I really do
True enough, @lafayette . 57mm shells coming at me at 300 rpm would be pretty scary, even if I was flying a Phantom or a Mirage.
Actually the ZSU-57 is pretty worthless against jets. The fire control is seriously outdated and the turret doesn’t turn fast enough to track fast targets…
Small wonder the soviets went for the Shilka and dumped these on their “allies”.
I actually made comments like this when Flames of War came out with their 88 “AA” half tracks recently (of course you’re completely correct) and the next thing I knew I was getting multiple “thumbs-down.” Oh well. 🙂 I play Avalon Hill’s “Arab-Israeli Wars” (covers 56, 67, 73, and even 82 wars) and they don’t even include this vehicle, which admittedly is kind of a shame since I would love to use it against ground targets. They do include the Shilka, though! 🙂 Egyptians and Syrians didn’t get them until the 1973 Yom Kippur War, where they do great work against Skyhawks, Mirage IIIs, and Phantom IIs along with SA-2 SAMs. It’ll be interesting to see if Battlefront ever expands their Fate of a Nation line to the Yom Kippur War.
What, you’re only supposed to like things and get booed down if everything isn’t awesome?
I actually like the model. It looks scary even if it is something of a paper tiger.
They have turret from one of these at the Maritime museum in Tallinn. Their view of its worth is pretty scathing… Which is an interesting contrast to the full example at the air defence museum near Helsinki, where they list the technical details but refrain from commenting on its actual worth (admittedly, this applies to most of the exhibits there).
Yeah, @maxxon , I guess I made a few comments on the dubious effectiveness of 88s on half tracks trying to hit low-flying, high-speed fighter bombers, the kinds of planes you’d expect to face in a FoW game. My post may not have been terribly well written, however, and some folks might have taken that I was “attacking” the FoW game. We got it sorted, no worries.
Helsinki and Tallinin? Those are some interesting places. There must be some great museums up there. We recently did some PanzerLeader situations based on Finnish operations toward Vyborg/Vipuri during the “Continuation War” of 41-44. Do you live around the Baltic / Estonia / St Petersburg / Finland, or just travel there?
We live in a pretty boring place history wise (Fort Lauderdale, Florida), but my girlfriend and I are heading to Normandy later this summer for a “battlefield walk” through all the beachheads, etc., for the 70th anniversary of the Overlord landings. Definitely looking forward to some of the museums there.
Meanwhile, I suppose the ZSU-57-2 was just unlucky enough to be “between generations.” Such a vehicle might have been effective in WW2 with fast-firing, proximity-fused ammunition against relatively slow propeller attack planes with nothing longer-ranged than a 5-inch rocket. But it didn’t come out until the jet age. Meanwhile, it came out BEFORE radar-controlled AA guns like the ZSU-23-4 or the newest Russian AA gunnery vehicle, (to my knowledge), the ZSU-30-6 “Tunguska.”
So yeah, the poor “Zoo-57” was a pretty poor AA vehicle, at least against jets. Helicopters, on the other hand, would be “meat on the table” for this thing, not that IDF used that many in 67 or even 73. And of course, as we keep saying, against soft ground targets, those 57s must have had a pretty long reach.
Maybe the PAVN version in Vietnam (probably not though) but I’m not going to start AIW. After what BF has done here in Australia my next game/period won’t be a BF one.