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one of my friends has a nasty combo useing his battle standard baraer with the drakenhof standard in the same unit of grave guard with his vampire lord giving all of them regenerate and making the unit almost unbeatable
holy crap the banner that gives your unit flying and the re-roll your charge range banner. O.o
Magic Standards sound awesome. If they are going to become prolific then I seriously need to practice my freehand skills with painitng to do them justice 🙂
don’t forget that terror now only works when the terror causer charges – so you’re fast cavalry plan may not quite work. if they pass the terror test you’ll end up charging and may then get battered in combat…
I know you guys want to promote the website and all, but not being able to comment on the vids through youtube sucks!
Keeps all the comments in one place so it’s easier to follow a thread mate 🙂
Those standards sounds nasty! 😀 cant wait to play my first 8th edition game!
my brets are obsolutely going to love this.
What’s sad is that most armies dont have enough Units that are allowed to carry Magic Standards to get to use the smaller point scale ones (they cant all be VC I guess) except for smaller battles. O&G hurt a bit when it comes to units which are allowed to use Magic Standards (for example NO Goblin units may carry them if you dont put a BSB in there) so your argument about the spider riders are a bit misleading.
Magic Standards changes the perception of your units and what you want to use them for and it’s a bit of a shame that more units are not allowed to use magic standards (well you can just ignore the rules and agree to use more magic standards). I mean a Rangers Standard in a Tomb King Chariot Unit (on a BSB or not) and presto you’ll surprice the hell out of your opponent as you charge through that terrain piece. So yes, I agree that Magic Standards are my favorit piece of magic items as they effect the actual big block of units.
My only concern with adding extra Magic Standards is their cost. I play WoC and CD and honestly if put a useful MS in every unit that could take one and gave my BSB one I’d be close to 350pts in standards alone. Do I think MS will be used more? Yes, but I still don’t see them be a substitute for a good unit or two of cannon fodder.
Are all magic standards unique including your own armys ? (that would be a stupid rule change i am going to hate if it is true as i use to field 3 banners of undeying legion which was fair in 7th, and is all other magic items unquie meaning your own armies ?.)
All magic items are unique, including standards (and they where so in 7th edition as well), if not told otherwise (like warp stones and magic mushrooms). I know Khemri has some different rules to their standards and I’m not to familiar with how they work exactly. You have to look it up in the FAQ PDFs that GW recently put up.
well they now say that the rules of having 1 Free Undying Legion banner for your skeletions with tomb king for 25 points and you could feild one other is now illegal <_< damn GW oh well time to find better banners. But there alot of nice banners to choose from now yay. Also with 3 spells a turn and the Percentage rule i can see why i lost it because i don't need to cast 2 mandory any more, ^_^ i love high priests.
can anyone explain the difference between fear and terror?
Yep, when a unit is in base contact with an enemy that causes fear, that unit must take a leadership test. If the test fails then the unit’s weapon skill is reduced to 1. Its also worth noting that a unit that causes fear is immune to fear itself. Terror on the other hand has the same effects as fear but with a few additions. For one units that have fear are NOT immune to terror. Also if a terror causing unit charges an enemy unit, then the enemy unit must take a panic test or else they flee. Hope that helps armoredrogue!
No more area of effect in terror?
Standarts used to be 100 victory points for enemies if dropped.
Do buildings count as terrain or are they classified differently?
thanks zoidberg, that clears it up 🙂
wait wait wait….is that swiftstride effect from movement 6 and more?Because if that’s the case,the +1 mvt banner is a mean one on elves,as they would become mvt 6 and so charge on the highest 2 of 3d6….please someone tell me if that works,as my high elves are definitively getting one if it’s the case!
A 40man Unit(Mob) of Longbeards, with the Dwarvern Standard ‘Rune Of Slowness’ (-D6 to attackers Charge) and an Army Standard Bearer in the ranks with the new ‘Rampagers Standard’. For the ‘No you can’t reach me this turn, next turn I’m going to pound your face in.’ countering the charge of an enemy and then facerolling them with a mobsquad of ws5, str4, panic immune knee busting Dwarves. Welcome to the pain.
Gleaming Pennant: That sounds fairly decent. Obviously, you wouldn’t bother with putting it onto your Battle Standard Bearer. As Darrel says, this is for units that are always going to be out of range of the general and Battle Standard Bearer (such as cavalry and the like), but it HAS to be used on the FIRST FAILED one. I don’t get why you’d want to re-roll a successful one, but there ya go. However, you may want to re-roll a Primal Fury test for Beastmen and if you fail that roll anyway, then the banner is a little wasted. It’s 5 points, but you could get a more consistently useful one for some more points. Also, not that many units can use a magic banner and I’d rather get a better one on those units as this is a little wasted on them.
The Standard of Discipline: As Warren says, it’s used for the models far away from the general. It’s more useful than the Gleaming Pennant and I would use it in that sense. It’s consistently useful and leadership tests are drastically changed by a single point (a huge increase in statistical success) and affect so much. For 15 points, it’s an absolute bargain and should be taken in any army of hordey low leadershipness.
Banner of Swiftness: +1 Movement? For 15 points? I’m undecided. I play a little War of the Ring and musicians do that for the same price, but it’s ALWAYS too expensive, IMO. However, in this, it seems a little fairer and I don’t get why 😀 Just realised, it WILL add 1 to the charge range in this, whereas it doesn’t in WotR, and so it is FAR more useful here. Good choice.
Ranger’s Standard: Strider… I don’t actually know a lot of 8th rules yet (I haven’t got the book as I need the money first, lol), so I don’t know the exact ruling behind that because I was under the impression that terrain no longer affected movement, just gave interesting effects. Sounds intriguing though.
The standards seem like they have some real crackers in them, but as I said before, not enough units can use them for it to always be worthwhile.
Wailing Banner: Terror for 50 points? Sounds nice and IS useful for nearly any unit that can actually take it. Useful on a BSB as well because he can then make any unit in your army cause Terror. Pretty excellent, to be fair.
I would say that my favourite is the +1 Leadership, maybe the +1M.
Nice!
The Magic Standards are awesome!
What would happen if you use a Ranger’s Standard and a Wailing Banner?
Really love the idea!
And also love the Magic Standards!